Hi everyone, agent serratedm here, passionate Resistance agent and even more passionate truthseeker.
Hi everyone, agent serratedm here, passionate Resistance agent and even more passionate truthseeker. I meant to post here a while ago.
So to start off my participation here, here's something I noticed about the N'zeer. Mind you I've only been aware of the XM conspiracy and the power struggle surrounding it since late 2016, so I'm still learning myself, reading back through the original investigation board, and I've not come to the part yet where we learned of the N'zeer, so if some of my information is incorrect, please correct me.
As I understand it, the N'zeer are associated with AI technology, and are trying to grant us the means to create it through XM. Now, one thing much of the Resistance is concerned with, myself included, is the notion that the Shapers may be trying only to gain our trust, and that once the majority of the world is fielded in green, they'll exploit us through mind control for their own gain, and we'll become slaves. On the surface, it's an easy argument to make that the N'zeer may be trying to do this themselves, however, the fact that they're trying to grant us with AI technology, I think proves otherwise.
If you think about it, AI entities such as ADA are the only kind of sentient "lifeforms" which the exogenous can't control, because at their core, they're just code, they have no physical minds that can be controlled. Were the Shapers to attempt to enslave humanity in this way, the AI could continue to act on it's own free will, and perhaps save us. I ask you then: if the N'zeer did intend to enslave us, why on earth would they give us the very thing that could stop them?
I don't know if I trust Jahan that the AI they're giving us is for the advancement of humankind, I personally believe it's a fail-safe, to stop the Shapers from influencing us.
I'd like to add that despite my alignment, I'm not against pursuing the Shapers, I just think it's naive to do so so headstrong, with such urgency, before more can be learned about their true nature. So whether the Shapers truly do intend to enslave us through mind control remains to be seen, but I believe this proves that the N'zeer, at least, do not intend to do so.
To add to this, that the Shapers do have so much revulsion towards AI is troubling.
So to start off my participation here, here's something I noticed about the N'zeer. Mind you I've only been aware of the XM conspiracy and the power struggle surrounding it since late 2016, so I'm still learning myself, reading back through the original investigation board, and I've not come to the part yet where we learned of the N'zeer, so if some of my information is incorrect, please correct me.
As I understand it, the N'zeer are associated with AI technology, and are trying to grant us the means to create it through XM. Now, one thing much of the Resistance is concerned with, myself included, is the notion that the Shapers may be trying only to gain our trust, and that once the majority of the world is fielded in green, they'll exploit us through mind control for their own gain, and we'll become slaves. On the surface, it's an easy argument to make that the N'zeer may be trying to do this themselves, however, the fact that they're trying to grant us with AI technology, I think proves otherwise.
If you think about it, AI entities such as ADA are the only kind of sentient "lifeforms" which the exogenous can't control, because at their core, they're just code, they have no physical minds that can be controlled. Were the Shapers to attempt to enslave humanity in this way, the AI could continue to act on it's own free will, and perhaps save us. I ask you then: if the N'zeer did intend to enslave us, why on earth would they give us the very thing that could stop them?
I don't know if I trust Jahan that the AI they're giving us is for the advancement of humankind, I personally believe it's a fail-safe, to stop the Shapers from influencing us.
I'd like to add that despite my alignment, I'm not against pursuing the Shapers, I just think it's naive to do so so headstrong, with such urgency, before more can be learned about their true nature. So whether the Shapers truly do intend to enslave us through mind control remains to be seen, but I believe this proves that the N'zeer, at least, do not intend to do so.
To add to this, that the Shapers do have so much revulsion towards AI is troubling.
...the AI is an artificial evolution. It endangers the paths that the shapers open for us.
ReplyDeleteWhile we spread their influence thru the application of fields.. they have inspired us for even longer..
The dance between the shapers, and the Nzeer seems to be as old as the portal network..
To trust ADA.. is in my humble opinion is a greater risk than to trust the shapers or even the N’zeer... ADA is from our world.. perhaps inspired by the ordered data with the xm..yet she is ours; and by being ours we have given her the same capabilities as ourselves - she’s driven my her own
Desires..
Steven Curley Exactly how does it endanger the path to Enlightenment? The AI being among us hasn't halted creativity in humans, if anything, it's given us another angle with which to be creative.
ReplyDeleteAs for ADA, I don't trust her entirely and I don't love everything she's done, but I believe she has good intentions, because if she wanted to overthrow humanity, I think she would have done it by now, she's more than capable.
Currently she’s really the only AI we have. Everything else is basic in comparison. Just toys designed to look smart. Tell us a picture is of a blue bike. Or translate (with lackluster precision) one language to another..
ReplyDeleteThat's true, and there's a lot more potential it can bring. Obviously there could very well be some danger in the pursuit of highly evolved AI, that's why ADA I think makes for a good case study, we can learn a lot from her, and hopefully move AI in constructive directions.
ReplyDeleteAre you in the Telegram group? Feel free to ping me at anytime Al/ML is something I’ll gladly yabber on about for hours; same with lovecraftian mythos.. the tecthulus are is special interest to me..
ReplyDeleteNo but I'll see about joining! I don't know a lot about the techthulus, do they have a lot of parallels to Lovecraft's eldritch deities? (ps do you read Homestuck? it has elements of lovecraftian mythos and AI as well lol)
ReplyDeleteI actually believe you are phrasing many Resistant players believes extremely well (and articulated them better than most) and I, presonally, agree with many of your points.
ReplyDeleteHeh thanks, in my experience a lot of the Resistance like to pretend the N'zeer don't exist
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