so, general question... we know that ADA passed the "turing test", we also have many studies showing how the turing test can actually be gamed by very complex programming and in fact you can write programs to create the allusion of AI for many (the chinese room thought experiment). At what point are we certain that she began acting on her own and has not been following a program and orders by someone else. Are we certain that those orders that she delivered for Jarvis and others and even the Katalena pre Zurich encounters, were not done on the orders of some programming. NOt to call ADA a gun, but how certain are we she is not? How can we prove, beyond doubt, that she is truly a separate entity working on her own and not some other programming? I would like to call for the evidence and proof that ADA is a complete entity. That she is not following someone else's computer orders, that she has a consciousness (or not). http://niantic.schlarp.com/_media/investigation:cha...
At the very least it will help with your farming mastery :) I don't know if it's been proven that certain combinations of variables when it comes to portals will call only certain kinds of glyph sequences.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your incredible work, Ishira Tsubasa. :D
ReplyDeleteIt's been fun! And yes, it has certainly helped me remember sequences like nothing else lol. Now just to get my fingers to listen.....
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure there is already a list live somewhere of all known in-game glyph sequences. A quick google search turns up this: ( http://www.ingress.tv/5-glyph-hack-sequences.html )
ReplyDeleteAn interview with a Niantic rep in Japan ( https://plus.google.com/+GavinTreadgold/posts/HYTtrugNoc3 ) included an explicit rejection of the idea that portal alignment affects what sequence you get; he did say that portal level affects the sequence, though it was not clear whether that meant just the stupidly-obvious (higher level portals give longer sequences) or he was saying that fractional level affects what sequence you get from mid-level portals, or perhaps you get a different distribution of four-glyph sequences from level 6 vs 7, or something.
I also keep meaning to try to pay attention to whether the amount of time you're given to complete sequences varies.
This is awesome! Really shows the diversity and complexity of the messages. Obviously we are getting glyphs from many different sources creating chaos. Puzzling at best and disturbing at worst. Some are very clear and others more cryptic. Great job Ishira! I am very interested to see what transpires in the coming days. I really appreciate your effort and am certain some light will be shed on this by doing it.😚
ReplyDeleteAuros Harman from my understanding most sites are not updated anymore and more sequences have been made. I'm more paying attention to patterns that I noticed like certain sequences becoming more frequent than others at different times. With the amount of glyphs there are I think if these were randomly generated that we'd see a more even number of glyphs sequences received all around rather than one agent getting 3 or more of a single one within a day or two. It doesn't make sense to me.. If it were dice and a small number of glyphs then I could say yes it's possible but ATM I have recorded 59 lvl 8 sequences and there are ones I have yet to receive that others have so the pool is vast especially with new glyphs. I want to see what effects what glyphs you get, and I know some of what does but it's still vastly interesting to me. Glyphs seem like a large puzzle to me especially with this last anomaly series. :)
ReplyDeleteMichel Barbour you are part of this so thankyou as well ;)
I'm pretty sure that which sequence you get is done based on a function of something like location and time, in a manner that leads to certain sequences being common at particular places for particular time windows... I definitely have noticed that you'll see a sequence pop up, and then appear several more times over the course of the following 20 minutes or so... I'm pretty sure that it's still the case that, over the longer haul, you're about equally likely to encounter each sequence; none of them are any more common than any others, over a sufficiently diverse sample of times and places, and the relationship between the time/place and what sequence you get is basically random (determined by a hash function). It would be mildly interesting to know what else goes into the function (portal integer or fractional level, for instance). But it doesn't appear to provide any meaningful information that affects either the story/lore, or gameplay.
ReplyDeleteThe Glyph Predictor applet has definitely been updated to include the new sequences that were released recently (the "Technology Intelligence" stuff)... I'm not sure whether any of the sites with complete listings have gotten updated. That ingress.tv one looks like it hasn't been updated yet, but I think there were a couple more out there; I haven't really looked for any recently. I glance at glyphtionary for reference when I want to decode stuff in the lore. Mostly I just know the glyphs. (I'm just shy of reaching my third Onyx translator badge.)