so, general question... we know that ADA passed the "turing test", we also have many studies showing how the turing test can actually be gamed by very complex programming and in fact you can write programs to create the allusion of AI for many (the chinese room thought experiment). At what point are we certain that she began acting on her own and has not been following a program and orders by someone else. Are we certain that those orders that she delivered for Jarvis and others and even the Katalena pre Zurich encounters, were not done on the orders of some programming. NOt to call ADA a gun, but how certain are we she is not? How can we prove, beyond doubt, that she is truly a separate entity working on her own and not some other programming? I would like to call for the evidence and proof that ADA is a complete entity. That she is not following someone else's computer orders, that she has a consciousness (or not). http://niantic.schlarp.com/_media/investigation:cha...
Hi JoJo Stratton, in my case, I didn't know about an HO since recent print screen conversation about Edgar Allan Wright persecution felling. I'm a new member of the essex group but since Helios, I've benn following the investigación. I support your idea because I want to share the findings with agents at my country who wants to know more about Niantic Project and It's mistery
ReplyDeletea sieve?
ReplyDeleteNow that Niantic is no longer connected to Google, would there be harm in moving the chat to an alternative service that allows more than 100 users?
ReplyDeletea way to share your passion of discovering what is truly happening in the world of XM with fellow investigators, and recruit those who desire to jump down the rabbit hole.
ReplyDeletethere always was an IRC associated with Niantic - not sure that ever took off :)
ReplyDeletewhat are the archiving aspects for those alternate services - it is very useful to be able to come back and read over archived items and what was missed
ReplyDeleteRegarding "alternative services" I refer the inquiry to the wisdom of Admiral Grace Hopper who reminded us that ''Standards are great. There are so many to choose from."
ReplyDeleteA sieve is a sieve. Pass the quiz to gain entrance. That is what you are talking about here. What you are really asking is: Has the applicant read the "official canon" and will the applicant continue the current line of thinking?
ReplyDeleteThe problem with a sieve is that it creates an environment of group think. This kind of environment inevitably becomes sclerotic because nobody is going to challenge old ideas in light of new evidence.
JoJo Stratton I am in the IRC channels (there are several) but you are correct that IRC itself doesn't archive. A bot can easily perform that function in IRC though and publish the channel's conversation somewhere. IRC is "less" multimedia friendly, though not entirely.
ReplyDeleteDaniel Beaudoin There hasn't been a 100 member limit for over a year now. :) CUrrent limit is 150, and the hangout at present has 101 in it.
ReplyDeleteFor moving, at this point, the NPCs are still only on hangouts, and Niantic is still using G+ for intel and leaks. Until that changes, IMO we should stay put.
Sarah Rosen poking old ideas with new sticks is a very fun activity - of course you have to know the old ideas, and the new sticks to make that work
ReplyDeleteand as to other channels in general - the idea is discussion and advancement of ideas and conversations - so where ever that happens, for me, it is always a good thing
ReplyDeleteJoJo Stratton it is fun to poke old ideas with new sticks, but when those given the privilege of taking a poke must first prove that they have received the catechism new ideas seldom make it past the sieve. And that is the purpose of the sieve: to keep the heretics out of the temple.
ReplyDeleteSo - how to get new people poking then?
ReplyDeleteI would love the idea, I want some agents in my country to be involved on the investigation and not only playing a game they don't have a bigger picture of.
ReplyDeleteI would love to hear more voices as well - so, how to do that?
ReplyDeleteYes there are other groups discussing story, which is a good thing. Posting only in one place does not have to be a bad thing or bias, it means you just talk there and no where else. It is the act of discussion that is what interests me. Are you adding your voice somewhere or you listening to other voices. And people do tend to cluster where they feel connected to the discussion in some aspect. Kinda like choosing green or blue... People go to one place or the other for so many different reasons. I think the concept of tribes is often used.
ReplyDeleteQuantumIngressEffectIngress QuantumEffect members of the AM group were active in Essex but chose to leave when challenged to provide backing for their postings. All views are welcomed. Posters just must be willing to use canonical sources and "show their work" on their postings.
ReplyDeleteAgreed
ReplyDeleteI'd happily join hangout if invited. I think people need to realize that someone who has started playing in the last few months has an enormous amount of disparate information to sieve through to try and get to grips with the story. If people who have been here from the very beginning have trouble keeping things straight, imagine how overwhelmed newcomers feel! Keeping the community accessible and making summation guides prominent should be a priority if you want to get new people involved
ReplyDeleteMaking guides is actually an AWESOME way to get into the story - so is working on the wiki :P Seriously - when you start having to put together a guide - you begin to dig through and really get into the material.
ReplyDeleteI've been member of Essex not for a really long time. I would really love to discuss the story with other agents who are interested through HO.
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