so, general question... we know that ADA passed the "turing test", we also have many studies showing how the turing test can actually be gamed by very complex programming and in fact you can write programs to create the allusion of AI for many (the chinese room thought experiment). At what point are we certain that she began acting on her own and has not been following a program and orders by someone else. Are we certain that those orders that she delivered for Jarvis and others and even the Katalena pre Zurich encounters, were not done on the orders of some programming. NOt to call ADA a gun, but how certain are we she is not? How can we prove, beyond doubt, that she is truly a separate entity working on her own and not some other programming? I would like to call for the evidence and proof that ADA is a complete entity. That she is not following someone else's computer orders, that she has a consciousness (or not). http://niantic.schlarp.com/_media/investigation:cha...
3 apples are connected to the myth of atalanta btw.
ReplyDeleteI've found two more connection of 3 apples:
ReplyDelete1. Arabian Nights - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Apples , unfortunately English is not my native, this article has no translation and Too Long Don't Read. Later I'll try to find a localized version and read it.
2. 3 apples that change the world: First one Eve gave to Adam, second one fall on Sir Isaac Newton's head, and 3rd were created(invented? problem with translation) by Steve Jobs.
Well... the Arabian Night's 3 apples is not connected to this one.
ReplyDeleteLets not forget the golden apple of Eris which culminated in the trojan war.
ReplyDeleteThe god of olympus threw a big party and all of the deities were invited ,except for eris, who was known for being a bit of a trouble maker, and harsh on the eyes as well.
Being a wiley and clever goddess, she crafted an apple of pure gold and inscribed upon it 'kallisti', which means 'to the prettiest one'.
Of course all of the goddeses believed herself to be deserving of the golden apple , as each believed herself to be the prettiest and a great row ensued.
Zeus, being a wise and just god, chose to give the task of deciding who was the fairest to a mortal man named Paris. Lo, the flaws of man.
Later, when the palace was sleeping, each goddess in turn went to Paris in the night and offered him fame, riches and other tempting gifts to sway his decision in each her favor.
Aphrodite had the best game in town, apparently, as he chose her bride of the most beautiful woman in the world. Helen was her name, the Queen of Troy. Some chaos ensued and the trojan was was the result.
james freeman it was only one apple
ReplyDeleteI am going to go with the non storyline approach to this one, Apple as in iOS the ammount as in the requirements to obtain the badge. the snake with apples, a play on the Adam an Eve mythos.
ReplyDeleteDean Nielson that's obvious. but is it all there is?
ReplyDeleteole georg graf given Niantics track record I would say no, but look at the Initio badge, how far was it used into the story line compared to Recursion or Interitus? Sometimes, a badge is just a badge.
ReplyDeleteSince we are asked to tempt others to join it should be the serpent badge..
ReplyDeleteThe tree in the garden in the myth is widely accepted by scholars not to be an apple tree. I've seen one argument that it was more likely to be a persimmon tree.
ReplyDeleteGoing further into the Eve myth, the point of the tree was that it represented knowledge and eating the fruit was the required action to initially gain that knowledge. However, the knowledge was banned - they were forbidden to eat the fruit.
The serpent was the agent who tempted Eve, which led to Eve and Adam eating the fruit, disobeying Elohim, and being sent out of the garden.
Does the serpent therefore represent Niantic? Does the choice to start playing Ingress represent a shift from a comfortable life to one of more discomfort? There's also a lack-of-free-will metaphor that could be expanded on that fits with modern interpretations of the Genesis story.
Michelle Jones ive heard that it was a quince, which looks alot like an apple.
ReplyDeleteBeing that its the agents recruiting, I think we are the serpents, the new recruits are the apples
Elohim is plural btw
Yes, the word is not well expressed in English language bibles. It also is a combination of male and female elements. Which, yes, makes Niantic fit better as Elohim and individual agents as serpents.
ReplyDeleteThis may sound dumb but on first appearance I thought the snake was a wall like our links the apples I assumed for IOS the 3 red apples I'm guessing new fraction but the snake I dunno I'm still floating on representation of a link wall
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