Initio.
Initio.
Initio is opposed to Interitus? Start versus end? Note that the skull is inverted. Does it resemble a stylized flower? Green presumably indicates an Enlightenment affiliation.
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Agents at the Ishinomaki #Interitus XM Anomaly site may gain access to the newly forged 'INITIO' medal.
Initio is opposed to Interitus? Start versus end? Note that the skull is inverted. Does it resemble a stylized flower? Green presumably indicates an Enlightenment affiliation.
Originally shared by Ingress
Agents at the Ishinomaki #Interitus XM Anomaly site may gain access to the newly forged 'INITIO' medal.
Yet #Interitus doesn't have a Resistance connotation. Hmmm.
ReplyDeleteMaybe not a third faction per se, but something moving in the shadows that merely sees the faction as tools or obstacles depending on their goals at any given time.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens Interitus IS Resistance connected. Its the Machine+Human life that ADA wants to bring to fruition.
ReplyDeleteDo you mean counter ADA Resistance?
Initio meaning "beginning", which is a good modification given the state of Ishinomaki after it got hit by a tsunami. Having a "Destruction" event probably wouldn't be good form.
ReplyDeleteLou Kohn You're not making sense to me. You have to establish the connection between Resistance and Interitus that's somehow more significant than the Enlightenment connection to Interitus. That's the first sentence. In your second one you're saying Interitus, which means destruction or ending, is the machine+plus human life that ADA wants to bring to fruition? Why, and how do you assume that?
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens Klue and ADA 1: The Rise of Our Kind: http://youtu.be/X-OWskvR06o
ReplyDelete#13Magnus was all about the destruction of Roland Jarvis representing humanity's hope for salvation, #recursion was all about the machine conciousness attempting to take on corporeal form and #interitus is about the rise of Machine conciousness to displace humanity. Luckily the Enlightened managed to save Jarvis in a last ditch effort to recover sufficent shards to generate a corporeal body, so the ADA menace does not stand unopposed. #initio could represent a new age, ruled either by the immoral and murderous machine gestalt or ushered in in peace and forgiveness for past wrongs, as Jarvis has demonstrated.
ReplyDeleteLou Kohn It's obviously not enough to post a link to a video that we're both familiar with as if that proves your point without explanation. Are you saying that because Klada says to use Resistance aligned XM, that that therefore means that #Interitus "is Resistance"? I'm not understanding this. The whole second part was related - I assume - to the widespread notion that "not needing" humans to ascend therefore means that Klada must exterminate all humans, which I don't see evidence for either. This is probably the 5th thread in which I've questioned this. So far, no answers.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens ADA specifically states that Interitus is a term the Shapers use to refer to the rise of man/machine hybrids. ADA has always been the semi-official "leader" of the Resistance, just as Jarvis is for the Enlightened. Interitus refers to ADA/Klue, and is therefore associated with the Resistance.
ReplyDeleteI think Interitus and Initio are the same thing seen from different perspectives. Jarvis sees the merging of man and machine as destructive. Interitus. ADA sees it as the start of something good. Initio.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens to me the whole notion of the "not needing" phrase was that Klada believes that ADA and herself have moved beyond the stage that humans can add anything useful to the evolution of ADA & Klada. Klada has been controlling the old body of Klue for quite sometime and we can presume has totally consumed all that there was to gain from the union.
ReplyDeleteADA who is relying on second hand data from Klada, (not sure if the transfer of data is all done orally/typed or by other electronic means) still wants to harvest more data samples, approx 5Billion MU from memory.
So we have potentially two view points on what is desired by the AI/human evolution.
1) ADA wants to enslave humanity in the same way she took over Klue.
2) Klada does not see the benefit from enslavement.
but option 2) leads to the next logical step, the removal of a potential weakness/hindrance to the AI/Human evolution. Why would a machine intelligence keep free thinking humans, who have proved their destructive nature throughout history, alive and in a position to potentially cause damage to the AI's future?
Logic points us to the conclusion that once ADA has got all she wants from us in terms of data then what benefits does keeping humans alive serve to her? ADA has surpassed us in so many ways already.
Daniel Byrom Sounds like human logic, not machine logic. It just as easily follows that Klada is not "keeping us alive" as we do that ourselves. It also follows that just because ADA hasn't any idea what help a particular element or entity might in the future based off of current circumstances, so why would she risk wasting opportunity and options? You make at least as many unfounded leaps in logic as you do logical points. Even your first sentence is loaded with assumptions you haven't established yet.
ReplyDeleteIan Friedrich That's a point of view, and she does specifically state that Interitus is a phrase used by the shapers to refer to the machine+human hybrid "because we don't need them". Again (for like the 8th time) there's nothing in there that means or implies that "Because the shapers call the rise of humans plus hybrids Interitus, that means we must kill all the humans." There's nothing there to support that.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens who is saying "kill all the humans"? I'm not. I'm simply answering your question of how Interitus is more associated with Resistance than Enlightened, that's all. Interitus is ADA, and ADA leads the Resistance. That is why Interitus has Resistance connotations, and it could make sense for Inito (its inversion, apparently) to have Enlightened connections.
ReplyDeleteThe end of one journey can be the start of another. Framing.
ReplyDeleteIan Friedrich Forgive me if I project the over-arching theme I get from Enlightnened agents onto your, more subtle, argument. I also don't know how you conclude that Interitus is ADA, I don't believe you ever established that. Ultimately, however, I've been having the over-arching conversation about this for a couple weeks now on here and I think I can pretty much conclude that no one is able to answer my questions or explain why what we've seen so far means ADA is going to endeavor to exterminate humans.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens ADA freaking says it herself in the video, that's where I get it. You said you're familiar with the video and a link to it wasn't helpful, buy she straight-up says Interitus is a word the Shapers use to refer to her human/machine hybrids.
ReplyDeleteAs far as why so many people think KlADA wants to exterminate us, it's simple: she sounds really creepy the way she says "what if we don't need them?" Just like Jarvis sounds creepy when he tells about the Shapers, and most of the Resistance take that as proof that he/they are up to no good.
Ian Friedrich but, she doesn't say that. You're interpreting a meaning and then acting as if that meaning is plainly stated. That's pretty much the sort of reasoning I get.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens "Interitus has been used by the Shapers to refer to the rise of our kind; human/machine beings." That's her exact words.
ReplyDeleteIf you're still on about the "kill all humans" bit, it's completely irrelevant to the question you asked and I answered, about the connection between the Resistance and Interitus. Since you seem so fixated on it though, it's the exact same way the Resistance has been selectively interpreting everything Jarvis said in the worst possible light from the start. Now that it's being done to ADA-K, is suddenly a problem? What Jarvis said before Cassandra and 13Magnus sounded ominous, so the Resistance took it at its worst and used it as a rallying cry. Now ADA-K said something in just as ominous of a tone, and the Resistance is getting a taste of their own fear-mongering.
Ian Friedrich Ok, we're going to have to end this because you keep going further and further away from anything I ever said and I can't answer for, like what other Resistance agents think about Jarvis.
ReplyDeleteJason Stephens lol, to be honest I think most of the Resistance claims about Jarvis and the Enlightened claims about ADA are illogical and farfetched, so I have no problem ending that discussion. I'm not even sure how that got started. The only thing I thought we were talking about was the meaning of Interitus and it's connection to ADA (and indirectly to the Resistance). But I think we're on the same page about that anyway, at this point.
ReplyDeleteLou Kohn I think that Initio is the one connected to ADA and her idean of creating cyborgs.
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