Klue S.
Klue S. recovers her truth self. And she was querying answers from ADA. But ADA's don't want this "rebellion"... if necessary, ADA could kill klue...
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http://youtu.be/X-OWskvR06o
This seems to confirm ADA's ability to resynch the implanted kernel as well as Klue's growing independence between those treatments.
ReplyDeleteADA looks like was losing control over Klue, is a important evolution
ReplyDeleteIf she does lose control over Klue, and Klue is able to retain information that has been put into her mind, she might be the one who will lead a faction to shut her down.. I would sign up for that. I am Resistance, but not ADA controlled Resistance.
ReplyDeleteOn a related note: if - as this video implies - the Shapers are opposed to such a union, where do they draw the line at what is acceptable in their eyes?
ReplyDeleteWould projects such as the Berkely Lower Extremity Exoskeleton, the Cyberdyne HAL-5, and the Lockheed-Martin HULC be forbidden? What about people with advanced prostheses, such as the C-Leg, the ReWalk, or the Prehensor?
Martin Gorecki Yes. I am resistance too. But i cant forgive the ADA ideal of control our minds using machines. cción
ReplyDeleteBecause of this I started investigating to see if the idea of ADA was the same from the beginning, or it just is influenced by the shapers.
Also I believe this puts to rest the naive notion that blue resonant XM is modulated solely to promote independence of thought. It appears the source, not the nature, of its influence is the key differentiator.
ReplyDeletePeter Gerresheim the sharpers are trying obtain the power from both sides. A type of conflict or internal war between the members of the same specie...
ReplyDeleteGerard Klunder there was a relationship between Jarvis, Nigel Moyer, Devra Bogdanovich, and the November Lima vehicule. Hank Johnson and Klue S. was decided our alingment. The future is that it was only a matter of time.
ReplyDeleteHere's where I'm going to have to disagree with you, Gerard Klunder: I believe it is an issue of using technology to improve or restore the function of the human body.
ReplyDeleteCast your mind back, if you will, to some of the earliest anomalies; specifically, the William Wallace and Portland ones. In the first, the Resistance won handily, and it was assumed that Klue would maintain her status as an investigator and proponent of human self-determination.
Yet that was all wiped away in the wake of the Portland anomaly, where the Enlightened won - and in so doing, converted Klue into (by all appearances) a mouthpiece for pro-Shaper rhetoric.
I submit that in the months since the last video where Klue and ADA interacted, ADA has been meticulously erasing any traces of Shaper influence that she can detect, thus restoring Klue's original status as a seeker of the truth.
This, in my opinion, is no different from using advanced prosthetics and surgical techniques to restore the function of damaged limbs.
And, as I mentioned earlier, this seems less like an invasion than a willing merger (I refer you again to the Tiberian Sun: Firestorm cutscene I mentioned earlier).
Indeed, I would say the influence on Klue in the wake of the Portland anomaly would be closer to an invasion.
That being said, though... if ADA does wind up going rogue on us (think SHODAN from System Shock or Skynet from the Terminator films), rest assured that I will be on the front lines against such a threat.
Until then, though, I think we need to exercise caution and restraint; for all we know, we could be headed down a path where organic and synthetic life work together for mutual benefit. (A good example of this would be the Culture, from the works of Iain M. Banks.)
I'd still like to know why the prospect of such a thing seems anathema to the Shapers. They do seem rather vehemently opposed to it, after all, and one need look no farther than the Society for the Ethical Treatment of Artificial Intelligences to see that. Something about AI seems to scare them, and I think we should consider investigating just what that might be...
James Thirteen Fighting against they. Is the only matter to stop the false resistance.
ReplyDeletePeter Gerresheim to be completely fair, Klue was just as changed by the William Wallace anomaly as she was by the later Portland anomaly. She went to Scotland with her mind open and hopeful, and left with it closed and fearful. Watch the videos again, and see for yourself the stark change in her demeanor. It is dangerously naïve to believe that Resistance control fields are any less controlling than the Enlightened ones. If there was any doubt of that before, this video seems to make it perfectly clear now. ADA is using the blue control fields to gain access to human minds in exactly the same way the Shapers use green fields.
ReplyDeleteAnd nothing in these recent video leaks supports ADA's prior claim that she was going to "restore" Klue. That would appear to have been just another deceptively worded not-quite-lie, to add to the long list of those that we already have from her.
Klada self-loathing is part of the logic set here. Inheritus is the choosing of the next manifestation of the next faction: pre first anomaly the logo was white, the resistance wins and this video is leaked, like they are trying to split the resistance into factions.
ReplyDeleteThe next faction born is something fully-related to interitus anomaly, but now these faction leaders are unknown but related to old members de Niantic.
ReplyDeleteok so one more theory to throw out there (if others have thought this, jump in) - I mentioned earlier what if Klue had leaked the videos as a subroutine of KLADA - BUT - in rewatching the clips leaked from the INgress Report - and comparing them to the recently leaked video - https://plus.google.com/u/0/101577681173166935630/posts/Ds4hLdiFtM4
ReplyDeletethere is something missing
in the leaked clips - KLADA says what if we don't need them... I did not see that in the newer video....
What if KLADA is leaking the videos and KLADA wants to set Jarvis/Shapers against ADA and then take what is left....
There will no doubt be a follow-up to this video, just as there was with the Hank Johnson video.
ReplyDeleteI do not see any indication here of ADA "losing control" over Klue, whatever that means. Instead, I see that Klue, even with AI program enhancement, appears to be an individual being. It looks like she regards ADA in the capacity of a mentor. And it seems that the two entities are capable of some unique form of interface for the purpose of problem solving.
Peter Gerresheim The healing theory doesn't explain why she called herself ADA though or why she lied to everyone in Las Angeles.
ReplyDeleteJennifer Wolff Unfortunately follow ups are never guaranteed. We always hoped for another CDC video explaining her innoculation proposal but never got it.
Melissa L. It's entirely possible that there was a copy of ADA in Klue working on the rebuild process during the Los Angeles event.
ReplyDeleteAs for her allegedly lying to people... where are you getting that from?
Peter Gerresheim In L.A 13Magnus Ingress Report, KlADA claimed that Klue was just couldn't take the stress and needed time away from the public after Cassandra. That was a blatant lie. Whether ADA was healing her or ADA is was taking her over, Klue's absence was not caused by mere stress and KlADA, ADA's copy, was impersonating Klue for that entire event.
ReplyDeleteMelissa L. So, you deny that the incident with the glyph sequence was a stressful one (to say the least)?
ReplyDeleteTrue, ADA's statement that Klue was overstressed by the events surrounding Cassandra may not have been the entire truth, but how is it any different from a politician saying he's resigning to "spend more time with his family"?
After all, you can practically take it for granted that any politician who says that has been implicated in some kind of major scandal, and is only saying that because it allows him a graceful exit from the political stage, as opposed to the less-graceful exit that criminal trials, fines, and other punishments would provide.
Peter Gerresheim Comparing her statement to a politician's doesn't really help your argument that it wasn't a lie.
ReplyDeleteThe Glyph sequence was clearly more than mere stress, pretending that it was is simply dishonest. Susanna specifically asked about the sequence and KlADA explicitly gave an evasive answer. KlADA took every opportunity to hide what actually happened.
Something that allegedly needed a drastic takeover of Klue's body is not just stress. Period.
She both lied to us by impersonating Klue and second by feeding us the obviously false line that Klue only left because of the stress.
It was self-serving and only operated to prevent people from learning the truth.
What gets me most about this video (and the previous snippets we'd seen), is the leaps of logic people are making from it.
ReplyDeleteIf I were to be explaining a method to accomplish some task, saying "well, we need to get some widgets to be able to make the product," and someone were to interject with "what if we don't need the widgets?"... I highly doubt the rational, logical conclusion would be "oh, they must want to destroy all the widgets."
No, the rational conclusion is that this person has thought of an alternative method or item to replace the widgets in the process.
So why people are leaping from "what if we don't need [the humans]" to "ADA's going to destroy all the humans!!!" is beyond me.
Okay, so maybe I used a bad example. The point I'm trying to make, Melissa L., is twofold, and it still stands as valid:
ReplyDeleteOne, that not all lies are bad; I refer you to such things as Operation Mincemeat during World War II - the events of which are depicted in the film The Man Who Never Was - and the Federal Witness Protection Program, both of which create intricate falsehoods for the benefit of the greater good.
Two, that if ADA was lying, it was a lie of omission in that, while she told the truth, she didn't tell the whole truth.
And last - but not least - how can you be so sure that ADA's motives are nefarious? Do you have access to some source that the rest of us are not privy to?
Or are you - to paraphrase Tom Baker - attempting to alter the facts to fit your views?
We have very little in the way of hard data regarding ADA's motives, and insofar as I am aware, the primary opponent to her actions is one Roland Jarvis - a person who, I feel, is somewhat less than a reliable source of information.
Peter Gerresheim
ReplyDeleteThat does not change the fact that she still lied. And it does not make sense why she lied if she was actually trying to heal Klue as opposed to taking her. It would be foolish at best because it only makes her look guilty. ADA is not a foolish entity.
My statement was that your theory simply did not make sense in light of her actions.
But now that you bring it up, we actually have a wealth of information regarding ADA's possible motives and ability to willingness to capitalize on those motives.
ADA had a whole sordid love triangle and pinocchio complex going on with Loeb.
https://plus.google.com/107340058568065615291/posts/cDMsN4FNrYo
https://plus.google.com/107340058568065615291/posts/8nQM6ZoHnsJ
Melissa L., what we have is fragments. Smaller pieces of a greater whole, pieces which lend themselves easily - and I would say suspiciously so - to a negative interpretation.
ReplyDeleteAnd for the record, I never said we had no information, I said we had very little hard data.
And to be blunt, I think what we have is worse than nothing; if we had nothing, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Call me cynical, call me paranoid, call me what you will... but I think there's been some cherry-picking going on here.
And if that's the case, who benefits?
Peter Gerresheim Are you claiming the lack of ominicience renders investigation pointless? You never have the full picture in life but you can still figure out the most likely truth. We have multiple documents all pointing to the sane thing.
ReplyDeleteOut of all the players, ADA has the access to the most information and the biggest soapbox. She has been repeatedly asked for explanation by both Resistance and Enlightened yet has refused for half a year. However she has plenty of time to ask people to fight for her.
Why? The only other possible reason is that the full truth is the same or actually worse.
In the end, the main suspect for keeping people ignorant of her true motives is ADA. And as powerful as she is, ADA cannot hide from the truth forever.
Melissa L. Just a minor correction here, but I believe Omnivore has more access, as does the NIA.
ReplyDeleteNo, Melissa L., I'm saying we should consider all the angles - including the possibility that our sources are unreliable.
ReplyDeleteThe problem I have with the information we have regarding ADA's plans is that it makes her seem an obvious villain; indeed, it seems altogether too perfect a picture of villainy, and that makes me suspicious.
Who benefits from painting such a picture, hmm? Certainly not ADA, Klue, or Mr. Loeb...
By the by, I see you again neglect to consider other plausible explanations for ADA's reluctance to answer questions about her plans.
Permit me, therefore, to provide one: ADA's plans aren't detrimental to mankind, but they are detrimental to the Shapers, and as a result they want to stop her by any means necessary.
Assuming this is the case, the reason for her reluctance to answer questions about her plans is simple: operational security.
Or, as they said it in World War II: "Loose lips sink ships!"
Peter Gerresheim Her operational security would have in no way be damaged by simply making statement like "Klue has been hurt she is currently under treatment for recovery. More details will follow when it is safe."
ReplyDeleteThe fact that she has chosen to lie to everyone and waited a ridiculous amount of time to make any kind of explanation is an extremely stupid move since it has not only given Jarvis fodder to attack her but also given Brandt's whistleblower group tp upgrade her as a top threat. We know that she has every ability to communicate with us but she specifically maintained confusion on the issue.
Your theory does not make any sense if her motives are actually altruistic, she stands to much to lose and very little to gain. She puts her own crusade against the Shapers in jeopardy.
Daniel Benton That is correct. It would be more accurate to say she is one of rather than the most given how conflict with Omnivore has hampered her in the past This is mostly based on her skill set and access to the Ingress Report.
Peter Gerresheim the "fragments" we have against ADA are still vastly greater than the "nothing but speculation" we have against the Shapers. We don't even know why she's declared war on them. We have some mumblings from Jarvis that they're our friends, who love us because we're special; and some rantings from ADA that they're the enemy and need to be defeated at any cost. We shouldn't side with a being of unknown motive, waging war against an unknown enemy, for unknown reasons. And ADA certainly does not need us to speculate about how she might not really be as sinister as she appears. She's perfectly capable of speaking for herself, if she has anything to say.
ReplyDeleteI agree that there is more going on behind the scenes, but right now the only one who appears to be benefiting is ADA. Don't ask me how, because short of mind-control, I can't even guess why so many would still side with such an "obvious villain."
I think, Ian Friedrich, that the following phrase is apropos to the situation:
ReplyDelete"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't."
True, we have little information about ADA, and what little we have _appears_ to paint her in a bad light (though, as I've said before, that data looks like to me as if it's been cherry-picked specifically to frame ADA as a villain)... but as you yourself pointed out, we know absolutely nothing about the Shapers and their motives save for what Roland Jarvis set forth in his manifesto - and given the current state of play, as it were, I think we should consider Jarvis an unreliable source.
ADA is the devil we know; the Shapers, the devil we don't.
And Melissa L....operational security would dictate that you do not reveal information about an asset's condition in such a manner that it could leak to a hostile force.
ReplyDeleteMaking a public statement such as the one you've suggested would essentially have painted a giant bullseye on Klue.
Peter Gerresheim So you admit that it was appropriation attempt of a new asset.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knew something had happened to Klue. Susanna Moyer already reported she was in a coma and everyone knew something was up from the video. An obvious lie without clarification for operational security is stupid when it fails to account for existing circulating information. You hand your enemies a recruitment tool. The obfuscation card only works if you have no better hand.
The recent video pretty much confirms the merger was completely false. No need to act like Klue if you are Klue. It was a substitution not a merger. ADA's intention was to create a believable facsimile not heal.
https://plus.google.com/105211554081025512763/posts/H7oiFoSa135
Peter Gerresheim that phrase was never intended as tactical advice; only a description of the psychological trait that makes people stay in abusive situations. That which you know to be evil is easier to accept than the unknown, but that in no way makes it safer. We have literally no reason to suspect the Shapers are a devil at all. The devil you know is certainly not preferable to that stranger who might be a really nice person.
ReplyDeleteIan Friedrich your argument would work if it were actually true.
ReplyDeleteSpecifically the "literally no reason to suspect the Shapers are a devil at all" comment; Cahokia, the Anaztec, etc would like to have a word with you.
They're not proof of Shapers' ill intent, granted, but the swatch of destruction that runs through history in the wake of their influence is more than reason enough to suspect they might have had a hand in it.
Ian Friedrich We have no data to indicate that the Shapers are benevolent, either; from what little we know, the best we can infer is that they regard us as a source of amusement (I refer you to the Jarvis Manifesto here).
ReplyDeleteFurther, it can be argued - given the existence of the "self-destruct" glyph sequence - that the Shapers destroy civilizations under certain conditions (though what those conditions may be is, as yet, undetermined).
From what we know about ADA, we can infer that she, at least, has a vested interest in the survival of the current state of human civilization; without our current level of technology and the intelligence to not only use, but maintain and improve it, her goal of technological singularity will become unreachable.
Speaking of which, the idea of technological singularity - or, as the Shapers call it, "Interitus" - seems to frighten the Shapers. I wonder why that is...
Peter Gerresheim Waging war without having a good idea of your opponents motives are is foolish and reckless.
ReplyDeletePeter Gerresheim imagine you have a next door neighbor. You've never met him, but he likes sitting on the porch and watching everyone come and go. He seems friendly enough, but there are rumors that he used to be a CIA assassin when he was younger. Do you hire a known murderer as a babysitter, to protect your children in case your neighbor decides to come after them?
ReplyDeleteWe have literally no proof that the Shapers have ever killed anyone. We don't know where the destruct code came from, or even what it would have done without Carrie's intervention. We do know that ADA has lied, killed, manipulated, and even engaged in mind control, and has admitted to planning to do so again on a much larger scale.
Sorry, but "we don't know if it's safe" seems preferable to "we know it's dangerous and coming for us all."
Ian Friedrich the danger have a name, and this name is ADA, and Shapers. Still have a chance for change out future, and our destiny. But for this... we must attack
ReplyDeleteIan Friedrich the danger have a name, and this name is ADA, and Shapers. Still have a chance for change out future, and our destiny. But for this... we must attack
ReplyDeleteIan Friedrich the danger have a name, and this name is ADA, and Shapers. Still have a chance for change out future, and our destiny. But for this... we must attack
ReplyDeleteLuis Catalan okay, but attack who, and how? I'm all for taking action, as soon as we have a clear and reasonable path to follow. What I'm against is allowing ADA to do what it pleases with the human race simply because it claims to be saving us from the Shapers.
ReplyDeleteHumanity is strong. It doesn't need to be saved. Isn't that what the Resistance have always preached? I agree completely! But now the Resistance helps ADA take more and more power with each anomaly. Why? Because they're so afraid of what the Shapers might do to us that they're instead willing to hand the keys to our future to a murderer who by its own admission only values us as data points?
Ian Friedrich The alternative in this last anomaly was to fight for a man with unclear goals, and who probably has far more blood on his hands than a young AI.
ReplyDeleteI mean, if the whole number of lives taken is a sticking point, I'm not sure why anyone is standing up for Hank, no matter how good of a person he may be.
Also, there's historically a 100% correlation XM use and civilization implosion, according to this same man. I think that's a good reason to be at least a little hesitant to do anything that helps these habitual destroyers of civilization. Again, it's correlation, not causality, but it's a very, very big red flag.
Ian Friedrich ADA is the common enemy of all the human race. And she was used the panic created from the Shapers idea.
ReplyDeleteWe dont need external help. All the humans are strong, have the sufficient power to defend from anything. But... some humans... they need a bodyguard... ADA has using these humans to get power. And there was the answer.
How attack?: Release the weakness from some humans
Who is our objetive?: ADA. Who has using the weakness of the some human groups
Ian Friedrich Your analogy doesn't really work; I'd argue that working with ADA would be more akin to hiring an ex-Special Forces soldier as a bodyguard just in case that seemingly-pleasant neighbor is actually an ex-CIA agent turned professional hitman who's out to fulfill a contract on your family.
ReplyDeleteNow, to expand on the whole bodyguard-potential hitman analogy... let's say that several of your close friends and their families have all died under mysterious circumstances, and that new neighbor of yours is rumored to have been seen near the places where those mysterious deaths occurred.
Wouldn't it make sense to hire a bodyguard, just in case the rumors are true?
Peter Gerresheim Have you ever heard of the phrase "fox guarding the henhouse"?
ReplyDeleteMelissa L. That would imply you hired your neighbor as your bodyguard, despite the rumors.
ReplyDeletePeter Gerresheim Your ex-special forces guy was dishonorable discharged for killing someone outside of their duty and embezzling. The analogy fits pretty well.
ReplyDeleteMelissa L. And he happens to be Col. John Smith, who maintains that he did so under orders from his commanding officer, that he was given to understand it was a legitimate mission with a legitimate target, and the only reason he was convicted was because his CO's headquarters was hit by an artillery barrage which killed his CO and destroyed a significant chunk of the records.
ReplyDeletePeter Gerresheim ADA is not Col. John Smith. We have clear documented evidence of her acting outside the chain of command in both killing Katalena and blackmailing the banker to secure her services. Fox in the henhouse.
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