so, general question... we know that ADA passed the "turing test", we also have many studies showing how the turing test can actually be gamed by very complex programming and in fact you can write programs to create the allusion of AI for many (the chinese room thought experiment). At what point are we certain that she began acting on her own and has not been following a program and orders by someone else. Are we certain that those orders that she delivered for Jarvis and others and even the Katalena pre Zurich encounters, were not done on the orders of some programming. NOt to call ADA a gun, but how certain are we she is not? How can we prove, beyond doubt, that she is truly a separate entity working on her own and not some other programming? I would like to call for the evidence and proof that ADA is a complete entity. That she is not following someone else's computer orders, that she has a consciousness (or not). http://niantic.schlarp.com/_media/investigation:cha...
These thoughts are really interesting....Thanks again for sharing.
ReplyDeletePosting just so i may follow the xm that flows from this post
ReplyDeleteAnd there is much XM to be found from this.
ReplyDeleteAlas, our theories are based on glimpsed moments of the past while the subjects are constantly in motion.
ReplyDeleteFood for thought! Thanks!
ReplyDeleteConsidering OLW seems to always be wearing the same thing, your question has merit. However...
ReplyDeleteI don't think object permanence is an illusion, studies show very very young babies have a sense of it. As my Psychologist friend says, "It's not that they think Mr. Potatohead stops existing when you cover him up. They stop looking at that spot because, "If you can't see Mr. Potatohead... Who the hell cares?"
The difference here is, OLW and Jarvis have been obscured from my sight, I care very much what is going on with them, and I can't just cry and point until the researcher pulls the cover off.
I have been wondering where Jarvis and OLW went after the culmination of 13magnus in SF.
ReplyDeleteTo my knowledge OLW had cut all ties with IQ Tech and then Hulong, and after his interviews with Susanna Moyer I doubt he would ever get support from her and presumably the NIA as well.
As for Roland Jarvis, he has been "dead" for around a year, he has a lot of support from the enlightened, but to my knowledge no support from the actual corporations, in fact ADA and the NIA killed him originally.
So where have these two gone, presuming they went together that is?
Object permanence is truly an illusion. All objects are capable of existing at any given point or time, but not both. If time is truly the fourth point on the grid. And then it is even possible there are mirrors of the grid. Alternate dimensions connected by the timeline, or alternate timelines connected by the location? What's to say there isn't a way of controlling these extra grids? We have only been viewing this world in three dimensions. But if the shapers are trans dimensional wouldn't they have access to all timelines and possible locations at once?
ReplyDelete”Dare to be Wise"
ReplyDeleteImmanuel Kant, said when Answering the Question: What is Enlightenment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answering_the_Question%3A_What_is_Enlightenment%3F
Is this what Jarvis meant when he said it was the Age Of Enlightment?
In that vain of Thinking can we trust this version of Jarvis and his new puppet? OLW, and any possible cohorts?
I wonder if Immanual Kant's thoughts on Transcendental Idealism might spark a little Enlightenment in others here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism