I have posted new thoughts on Niantic Project.
I have posted new thoughts on Niantic Project. They relate to #IngressNYE. +IngressNYE. Jarvis's Statues. Calvin's stolen thoughts. My lost thoughts. Are thoughts a zero sum game?
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ReplyDelete" +Operation Essex Just hearing Calvin mouth these words brings back a great deal. Those were my ideas. Is it possible that they did not so much scramble my brain as simply lifted ideas, whole from it? Is that the shaping? Is that the counter-shaping? We were closer than we thought at Waratah... The question is this... From when do I retrieve those ideas I lost. Or were they my ideas at all. Were they on loan from another place? To Jarvis' question. Where do ideas come from?"
Stored memory is so closely tied to identity and sensation (especially olfactory stimulus) that universal nonphysical storage of ideas would require rewriting much of what we know about neurology. It may be that crude attempts to duplicate what Jarvis described as the shapers' measurements of the human mind might, from a frame subject to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Theory, be destructive of the original target processes.
ReplyDelete"Stored memory is so closely tied to identity and sensation (especially olfactory stimulus)"
ReplyDelete"A warm breeze just came in. It smelled salty. Pleasant. ... I need to find Richard."
(Copied from Niantic Project) Is it possible that those ideas were shared rather than stolen? You were both at Watarah together before the incident. Is it possible that you shared the idea with him before your memory was lost. The situation you described sounds very similar to the one described by Hollis's John Doe. It is important to rule out other alternatives.
ReplyDeleteOn Jarvis's statues, it is unusual that thoughts would have to be owned by one or the other. Are they mere shared frequency or are these thoughts in particular representing a block of some kind?
Yik Sheng Lee Where did you find evidence of Calvin trying a mind virus on anyone? The hypercube experiment OLW's was about trying to store XM. Calvin was shown trying to stop it when things went wrong.
ReplyDeleteYik Sheng Lee I see. I must have missed the striked out portion. However, from the context of the language it seems that Ni is the one requiring the study of the Shaper mind virus and she is noting but dismissing Calvin's ethical concerns over infecting the team. He would still be responsible since he knew before hand but the fact that Ni specifically noted and dismissed ethical concerns in a letter to him indicates that Calvin did have a problem with it.
ReplyDeleteYik Sheng Lee All of that assumes things that aren't in the document and mischaracterized the actual event, 855 killed the hulong assassin and escorted her to safety much like how OLW escort was proposed. Whatever his motives actually were it appears from the document that he voiced ethical concerns.
ReplyDeleteAre stealing portals from each other a zero sum game?
ReplyDeleteYik Sheng Lee Yes, but that does negate the fact that he appears to have objected to the Shaper Mind virus tests on ethical grounds. Ethical codes can be complicated. He may have seen killing the execs as justifiable because they hired the assassin to kill Ni. It doesn't excuse it but that information does not challenge or negate the words found in the letter. Calvin is indicated to have reservations about the project from the letter. He may see the trade off of power as justifiable because she forced the Shaper Mind virus project to go forward in the first place. It may have been just a front, but evidence points to the fact that the object had been made.
ReplyDeleteYik Sheng Lee It's fine to speculate on theories of his motive, but whatever you think his reasons are he still seems to have voiced an ethical objection the the Shaper mind virus experiment. People are complicated. Predicted general patterns of behavior are not always useful. Despite suspected motives, he had he still voiced an ethical objection and tried to shut things down when they went haywire on Epiphany Night.
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ReplyDelete"Zero sum game" is a short play, amusingly I can't remember the playwright off the top of my head. In it something has happened to the global population so that, for every one new thing they learn, they will forget two things. So the best you can hope for is to have just one thing left in your mind.
XM carries ordered data, what that data IS we don't know. But being exposed to XM imprints us with that data somehow. Is that data so tightly packed that our brains can't assimilate it into our current memory structure?
I don't believe you are in a zero sum game +Edgar Allan Wright, but it IS possible that something is "making room" in your mind. To understand what you've forgotten, you need to figure out what it is you remember that's new.
Yik Sheng Lee Who is She and what does this have anything to do with the topic? I repeat, your initial premise that he had no reservations appear false because Ni's letter notes ethical objections made and dismisses them. Even if you doubt his motives, the objections were made. I understand that you don't like Dr. Calvin but that's no reason to make up wild theories about things you think he's done without proof. Even if you did actually cite your claims, they still have nothing to do with Edgar Allen Wright's current predicament.
ReplyDeleteYik Sheng Lee What are you talking about? The letter was addressed to him not written by him. The letter says From Ni to Calvin not the other way around. These are Ni's words not Calvin's and this still has nothing to do with Dr. Wright's predicament. If you are going to speculate, you need at least some basis that makes it relevant to the current topic.
ReplyDeleteEdgar, first i suggest you listen to Nine Inch Nail's Year Zero album. As well as Tori Amos's song, Zero Point. if nothing else, they will give you some things to have in mind.
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