so, general question... we know that ADA passed the "turing test", we also have many studies showing how the turing test can actually be gamed by very complex programming and in fact you can write programs to create the allusion of AI for many (the chinese room thought experiment). At what point are we certain that she began acting on her own and has not been following a program and orders by someone else. Are we certain that those orders that she delivered for Jarvis and others and even the Katalena pre Zurich encounters, were not done on the orders of some programming. NOt to call ADA a gun, but how certain are we she is not? How can we prove, beyond doubt, that she is truly a separate entity working on her own and not some other programming? I would like to call for the evidence and proof that ADA is a complete entity. That she is not following someone else's computer orders, that she has a consciousness (or not). http://niantic.schlarp.com/_media/investigation:cha...
good behaviors are learned in the first years from caregivers
ReplyDelete...if that's not possible, it turns out this way
the first things memorized, take much to be changed later on
What did A Detection Algorithm learn from us? Did she have good role-models?
ReplyDeleteSteven Wilson More to the point, what did she learn from Ezekiel Calvin? If she'd been "raised" exclusively by the likes of H. Richard Loeb and Klue S. and Hank Johnson for a few years, I suspect she would've turned out much better. Even Devra Bogdanovich, while less idealistic and more willing to bend rules to serve what she sees as a noble end, is fundamentally interested in the well-being of her fellow beings. Calvin? I'm not so sure. It's possible there was some better motivation, or some kind of ideology / religious belief (in the N'zeer?), but at first glance he seems to have just wanted power for himself, and saw ADA as a tool / slave to be used toward that end.
ReplyDeleteAuros Harman have you considered that it might have been Loeb's bit of "inspired metaprogramming" that corrupted ADA? That her original purpose was to be the "failsafe" on the ABADDN nest to make sure that everyone made it out alive?
ReplyDeleteit's nice that you want to relitigate that, but ADA is ADA and all the things that happened happened so here we are
ReplyDeleteI suppose it's possible. But in general, what we know of Calvin makes it seem like he's a manipulator, with no compunctions about killing people (or rather ordering them killed, since he prefers not to get his hands dirty), while Loeb is generally concerned with the public welfare... It's possible he was under a malign influence when he programmed the seeds of ADA's consciousness, but I'm skeptical that her destiny was set in stone from the moment she "woke up". She seems to have gone through a great deal of learning, assimilating ideas and capabilities from various Niantic researchers. In a better environment she might have absorbed a stronger ethical code.
ReplyDeleteIt still turns out she determined the most expedient way to accomplish a task was to [attempt to] have Jarvis killed, and then continue with questionable behavior.
ReplyDeleteI agree that ADA has done some really terrible things.
ReplyDeleteJarvis is hardly a saint, though. He had people murdered, to try to protect the secret of how his XM construct body was being maintained (presumably because knowledge of that would make it possible to construct CM weapons to kill him, as Oliver Lynton-Wolfe eventually figured out anyways). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30tUjbpZ9Ss
It's possible that ADA (correctly, it seems) perceived him as a a threat to her life/existence and sought to neutralize him early. A more idealistic being would've at least tried to resolve the threat non-violently first, but that goes back to the fact that her earliest "role model" or influence was likely Ezekiel Calvin...